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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 16:26:51
by Manifold
When you say 'taken with' you mean to be taken by the Aliens? That would be an... interesting trip...

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 23:42:34
by madd74
aye, that I do. yes an interesting trip and a lot happier than staying on Earth listening to everyone

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:25:57
by Manifold
madd74 wrote:the proteins, however, are ones that I believe are associated with DNA, or maybe RNA... or something similar to the building blocks of our genetic coding


Going along the lines of things being irreducibly complex, or your DNA examples, I don't see any head way for people wishing to argue against 'God's Will'. Can you tell me the counter argument for things being Irreducibly Complex, and so have to be 'designed'?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:10:07
by madd74
Hmm... I am not exactly sure what your question is asking. Are you asking if I have anything stating "a definite design" (ie God does exist) or are you asking if I have the opposite?

PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 14:33:43
by Manifold
Yeah, I'm asking if there is or could be an argument against irreducible complexity.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 23:29:27
by madd74
very much so. one could simply argue that it is just a large probability shot in the first place, similar to the lotto, only much more. the odds of winning the lotto go beyond the "rational" to play it. a joke goes that the lotto is a tax for those bad at math... yet... people DO win it, and others could argue that point. that everything randomly happened by chance.

of course, I could also argue that a person is nothing more than a brain in a vat, or just a dream created by another being... and there is no 100% chance way to disprove (or prove) any of it

PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 8:57:17
by Manifold
Ah. I'm familiar with the "anything-can-happen-by-chance" argument. It's one of my favourites.

PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2004 15:05:31
by madd74
yeah, well... it does not mean I buy into it, for I do not. that is me, I have my proof, and i am rather happy with it